December 26, 2005

My case for faith and God.

My views on god, religion.. - a very random post.
Well, this is not, probably, going to be organised. read on.

okai, i had this chat wit 2 o my friends. The topic was the existence of God. Now, there MIGHT be (cuz i myself dunno to wat extent i'll take it) views that can be offending. and don bite back incase u don agree.

Okai, the question was WHY is there a NEED for GOD? ....

This is wat i believe - There is NO need for one. well why? .. okie .. simply cuz .. i find there is NO need for one. Is there anything we cant do without having to pray or believe tat god is doing this for us? No. i cant seem to find ONE single reason (otherthan - say - start of the universe, why the world is the way it is..)... everything else can be shown to be or proved usin our knowledge of physics, maths, .. or any other science... even art.

Then, yes... there ARE claims o miracles, our history which we shouldnt be
negelecting , hmm.. which point to the reasons for existense of an almighty force... well.. let me quote a post i came across.. which was made by my friend.

"
history is just something that MEN passed down through the generations, either through stories (which ARE, and always will be STORIES) or writing (again, something what some guy wrote down...u cant trust people to be completely truthful....there will always be factors left unaccounted.....like that person's mindset, personality, etc. etc.).....and have you heard about "The Dark Ages" where innocent people were burnt at the stake just because other people felt they were practicing sorcery or witchcraft?? IMO I think it was like.....the people accused of witchcraft were just a bit different from the "normal" people (normal=majority of the population, not necessarily meaning "NORMAL").....and the "normal" people just found an excuse to get rid of them. These are the kind of people who WROTE the history that you talk about. Do you really trust them NOT to distort the facts and report incidents as they happened without some of their prejudices and personal thoughts/ideas rubbing off on the "history" they recorded??

And about the "miracles".....do you really think they really ARE miracles, and not unusual coincidents that have been passed along thru da generations, each generation adding their own interpretations to it?? For example.........In hindu mythology, avatars of gods and devils took human form and fought in flying chariots, throwing thunderbolts and breathing fire. WHAT IF.........what really happened was.....a tyrant king tried to take over his neighboring territory, ruled by a just ruler.....they fought a battle and the goody-goody king won. A couple of generations later, a soldier who fought in the war saw the kings fighting in 2 chariots speeding all over the battlefield, shouting abuses @ each other and shooting a bunch of arrows. Now that soldier tells his grandson about the whole thing.....and since he can't tell the kid that the kings were actually yelling "F**K you mofo, I aint gona let u take over MA territory, Ima RIP you a NEW ONE!!!" and "Yeah, u goody goody pansy?? Im gona make you wanna get back into ur momma's T**T!!"......he tells the kid they breathed fire @ each other. And since he doesnt want to scare the kid about arrows piercing the enemy soldiers' armor and the blood oozing out n stuff like that.....he tells him that they were throwing thunderbolts @ each other. The KID grows up, believes all that the grandpa sez, and passes it on. The fact that this is an age of superstition doesn't help ONE bit.

Like the above example?? I personally think THAT'S what happened all along, with variations of course. There will always be dumbasses in every generation dumb enough to believe this shit."

that was his reply to "arent there so much tat has been passed on thru generations ..the history n miracles" ... and had i not been lazy enough to type it all.. i wud've expressed the same view.

more evidence tat can be stacked up against the need to believe in god - how much of corruption n all such evil... murder, rape, robbery, name it .. and its happening out there.. no control watso ever.. ..where is god doing anything good???

all i find ppl do is - pray, n stil.. no use!... wtH.. instead o praying, cant they jus do things that are good... somethin useful to others.. sigh... rarely happens.

Its all in the head ... its wat we think. even if we start thinking tat there is no need for god, we can still do everything we do.. and even more if we jus believe tat we can... the mind is the door, imagination is the key, and self control and a right mindset should be the guard at the door.

next up - religion - totally f-ed up, i wud say, TODAY's religions i wud say... all they seem to advocate is hatred towards other belief's, promote communal violence.. all on the name of , yeah - GOD. WTH!.. are these ppl outta their damn minds? maybe ppl should start understanding tat religion is purely man made n also tat the REAL books o each o these religions NEVER advocate tat ONLY tat religion is rite... all they say is to love one another, to live in peace n harmony wit fellow human beings. when wud ppl start understanding this??? :-<. HUMANITY IS THE REAL N ONLY RELIGION ...GET IT??
:|

not totally going against the beliefs ... there are certain positives in believing in god - like -

"People have been raised in different ways, in different corners of the planet.....the only thing that unites them all is religion, or the belief in a supreme being. you know what I mean. So, religion is not a bad thing.....if it is used to bring people together. its good to have FAITH, and use it as a crutch when you're mentally reduced to a pulp, for some reason or the other........."

- by my friend... yes... a bit lazy to type my own version .. which wud be the same thing. (its 0027..sleepy.. :D)

well.. thats my POV o the whole idea....
believe watever u do believe in. doesnt make a difference when u are sure tat u are not cheating urself n tat its somethin helpful for others.

comments are welcome. (tho i don't intend on arguing.. as there wil be no winners.. u know it.)

:)>-

10 comments:

duttan said...

hear the song "believe" by Disturbed.

Sometimes, its faith which gives us confidence when there is no other source.

Its faith which consoles us when there is no one else.

Its faith which drives us when everything looks bad.

n3o said...

true. when everything around u fails.

kickassso said...

once upon a time, communism was th big threat to politics.... now religion is... somehow religion and money seem to have allied themselves.... all people pray for is money...

Faith, it's all i have, and my only pillar..

chinch said...

deaaaaaaar suraj

itz quite obvious...u've decided to look at the whole situation.....and say..oh well....obviously God isnt doin'a good job....trust me dear...His follies are a thousand times better than our greatest genius

everythin' has a reason a rhyme.......nuthin' we do or say can negate that fact.....and the fact tht there is a super brain behin aaaaall the reasonin' and the rhymin'......dont try to understand how His mind works......we are mere mortals.....

He gave us life.....and we are all here....to serve a purpose....u and me..we dont know wht tht purpose is.....we fumble abt in darkness.....but sumday......when ur faced wit the very reason why God put u here.......trust me......all doubts will b gone

organised religion?...if all religions worked the way they were supposed to work.the world wudnt b so bad.....but unfortunately..like u've mentioned..their message...of love....harmony....have all been thrashed....an all we have is a crazy melee of killin' sprees...(fraggin' as u wud call it ;) )..wicked plottin'....planz for total domination.........

suraj....dont look aroun' u.....at the ppl aroun' u......at the mess this world has become....look rather.....at ...or into.....'urself'...and see..if u are.......wht u know u shud b....the rest....doesnt matter....

my POV........
take care pal
chinch

chinch said...

deaaaaaaar suraj

itz quite obvious...u've decided to look at the whole situation.....and say..oh well....obviously God isnt doin'a good job....trust me dear...His follies are a thousand times better than our greatest genius

everythin' has a reason a rhyme.......nuthin' we do or say can negate that fact.....and the fact tht there is a super brain behin aaaaall the reasonin' and the rhymin'......dont try to understand how His mind works......we are mere mortals.....

He gave us life.....and we are all here....to serve a purpose....u and me..we dont know wht tht purpose is.....we fumble abt in darkness.....but sumday......when ur faced wit the very reason why God put u here.......trust me......all doubts will b gone

organised religion?...if all religions worked the way they were supposed to work.the world wudnt b so bad.....but unfortunately..like u've mentioned..their message...of love....harmony....have all been thrashed....an all we have is a crazy melee of killin' sprees...(fraggin' as u wud call it ;) )..wicked plottin'....planz for total domination.........

suraj....dont look aroun' u.....at the ppl aroun' u......at the mess this world has become....look rather.....at ...or into.....'urself'...and see..if u are.......wht u know u shud b....the rest....doesnt matter....

my POV........
take care pal
chinch

Nimisha said...

hmmm...first of all i am a strong believer in god coz thts wht drives me thru every single day...and is to whether there is a need for a supreme authority...yea there is...i mean is there a single organization or country or even in ur family without a supreme authority...and to manage all these fragments we need an ultimate authority and i think tht is wht we call god...may it be in whichever religion...and for ur question why all the bad things in life...just imagine a life without any problems..any diffculty...eventually all of us would get bored of it...i mean they say tht u really dont understand true happiness until u taste sadness....i guess thts y the diversity...just my POV...also if u get a chance to read a poem "footprints"..( i dont know the poet)...probably u may get a different view...anyways tc...nimisha

Sp^wN_0F_S^T^N said...

@ duttan, n3o, and kickassso: Music, btw is a good substitute for faith...it sure works for me!! and its a LOT more freeing than "Faith"...its what gets me goin when im down...and it helps drive me 50% of the time....i drive MYSELF the rest of the time. No faith here. >:)

Sp^wN_0F_S^T^N said...

I thought "chinch"'s post deserved special attention, so I'm posting in a different comment...but first let me say this to you, Nimisha: You should read an English chapter I had for my third semester...."A Theologian's Nightmare", where a priest dreams that he dies and goes to heaven and meets the gatekeeper, the librarian, and the janitor...all of whom do not know the priest and of humanity....neway, the point being.....the universe is SO vast that even if God were to exist, he'd have better things to do than look after a miniscule planet in a corner of the universe in an unremarkable galaxy, let alone the affairs of its occupants.

now, on to what....

"chinch said...

deaaaaaaar suraj"

oh my....the condescending tone of a true believer....now where have I heard THAT before? oh wait....ALL MY LIFE!! :|

"everythin' has a reason a rhyme.......nuthin' we do or say can negate that fact.....and the fact tht there is a super brain behin aaaaall the reasonin' and the rhymin'......dont try to understand how His mind works......we are mere mortals....."

classic dogma. straight from the textbook. load of (|2^P, if you ask me...this is all what your elders/religious leaders told you, chinch...nothing of the above has been proved....its all made up by some human at some point of time. "super brain"....right. 8-|

"He gave us life.....and we are all here....to serve a purpose....u and me..we dont know wht tht purpose is.....we fumble abt in darkness.....but sumday......when ur faced wit the very reason why God put u here.......trust me......all doubts will b gone"

Now this doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever. If you say we have a purpose that we don't know anything about....how do you know there IS a purpose in the first place?? From what your priest told you?? Who do you think thought up this $#!7 in the 1st place??

"suraj....dont look aroun' u.....at the ppl aroun' u......at the mess this world has become....look rather.....at ...or into.....'urself'...and see..if u are.......wht u know u shud b....the rest....doesnt matter...."

LOL!! If he looks at/"into" himself, I'm pretty sure he'd find a zillion molecules grouped into compounds and what not....when viewed on a large scale, becomes what we call "flesh", "blood", and "bone" (I'm not a bio student, so...I'm cuttin it short...:D).....which are, in the end...nothing but matter organised into a highly complex system, one that is so complex our primitive brains cannot comprehend it fully. There is no proof that "God" or something similar thought up the universe.

Do you choose to believe that which you do not have any proof for?? Then believe me when I say I am the son of satan and was just inducing doubt in at least one true believer's mind by posting this comment on blogger.com, the interpretation of the interplay of meaningful electronic signals sent through thin strands of copper and/or other metals, and magnetic spots on metal plates, by a device which you humans, created out of the earth you have been given by me....(otherwise known as "the internet" and "computers" respectively).....which sends light rays to your retinas which send the signal to your brain which interprets it. If you're a true believer, If you were told THIS instead of the dogma you were fed as a child, I'm sure you would've believed it.

I was talking about people like you (true believers and followers) when I wrote this sentence in MY original post on this topic......"There will always be dumbasses in every generation dumb enough to believe this shit.".....remember this sentence? People like you follow others blindly, believing whatever they say to be the absolute truth, not wanting to explore other possibilities rationally and thoughtfully. Once what your parents or priest say is imprinted on your mind, you do not consider anyone else's point of view. Your kind of person, the "follower", is not a whole lot different from the "fanatic" who will kill for his faith.

Peace. >:)>-

chinch said...

suraj

every person out there.....who says there is no God ..is actually screaming out.....into the darkness......wanting to know Him...wanting to touch Him.....wanting to know why HE does whtever He does....frustrated tht all their attempts have been futile.....

ur screaming out in vacuum suraj....there is no medium to carry ur voice...try to sit down quietly instead..and reflect....i believe His spirit is in each one of us.....maybe ...if u connect...u'd know wht i'm talkin' abt....my God is my best friend....for me He's jus as real as u...maybe even more so....itz a personal experience....

.throw down ur defenses suraj....and lissen.....u airhead....lissen....sumday...i hope u'll meet Him....and u'll remember to mention tht a friend told u abt Him once...

u remember my debate in college......onstage......it was funny.....i was supp to speak for the notion tht there is no God...and i remember askin' Him to help me sound convincing......well we won! so i guess if i were to take ur stand....u'd have one heck of a supporter....but in my heart.....i know my God.....find ur's......

take care

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